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Post by pmoneyallstar on Aug 1, 2013 14:33:23 GMT -6
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Post by hobblekitty on Aug 1, 2013 16:19:46 GMT -6
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Post by styckx on Aug 1, 2013 16:39:28 GMT -6
If it's Tito Ortiz. TNA is done for me and I will resort to watching it to just watch it crumble. Sorta like when it finally dawned on us WCW was never going to get their act together and just buckled in for the ride.. Dixie Carter is terrible.
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Post by styckx on Aug 1, 2013 17:21:20 GMT -6
Can't.. She's more delusional than Bischoff was.
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Post by styckx on Aug 1, 2013 17:41:02 GMT -6
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Post by styckx on Aug 1, 2013 17:55:27 GMT -6
styckx: Can't.. She's more delusional than Bischoff was.
Quote: From: @legendkiller855
@tnadixie quit bringing in all these MMA fighters. Your a wrestling company not the UFC.
Quote: A. People forget that King Mo is a wrestler, first and foremost. He won multiple medals (several gold medals) in The World Cup, Pan American Championships and US Championships, and a Division I All American. Rampage began his career as a wrestler, too. Rampage is a film star -- both have big personalities, successful MMA careers and substantial national media attention within the sports world. They’ve never worked for our competitor , and they both want to do whatever it takes to dominate professional wrestling. I'm open to anyone who fits that bill. And, the fact that Bellator CEO Björn Rebney and I can work together and cross-promote is a great added benefit for Impact exposure outside of wrestling. shill. always be shilling. but yeah the cross promotion defense is like... "we get money from them shut up" And Bellator is ruined because of it.. It has no credability left as a real MMA organization. Watching it last night with all the TNA talk and the Tito / Rampage fight shit.. They were literally promoting it with "Rampage Jackson has a special announcement. TONIGHT!!".. So cheesy and TNA like. It came off as a pseudo MMA/Pro Wrestling promotion. If anything it's turning viewers away from Bellator. Dana White is a genius and knew cross promotion w/ WWE would kill the credibility of UFC. That's why he avoids mentioning or having anything remotely to do with WWE. Brock was the closest thing and Dana still distanced himself from that like a champ. |
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Post by hobblekitty on Aug 1, 2013 17:56:29 GMT -6
styckx: Oof
Looks like a house show. I don't know why they use big huge arenas for small house shows. It was like that at the Times Union Center when Pi and I went in December. The Armory Center would have been a better choice, and probably cheaper too. Unless that is a taped show in which case I see your "oof" and raise you an "uhg..."
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Post by hobblekitty on Aug 1, 2013 18:01:03 GMT -6
Someone needs to explain to me why wrestling is OK, but MMA is lame "sweaty dick punching". You'd think the fan bases would have more amity between them.
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Post by gunnyhighway on Aug 1, 2013 18:02:22 GMT -6
styckx:
Today at 6:51pm , Smiths wrote: styckx : Can't.. She's more delusional than Bischoff was.
Quote: From: @legendkiller855
@tnadixie quit bringing in all these MMA fighters. Your a wrestling company not the UFC.
Quote: A. People forget that King Mo is a wrestler, first and foremost. He won multiple medals (several gold medals) in The World Cup, Pan American Championships and US Championships, and a Division I All American. Rampage began his career as a wrestler, too. Rampage is a film star -- both have big personalities, successful MMA careers and substantial national media attention within the sports world. They’ve never worked for our competitor , and they both want to do whatever it takes to dominate professional wrestling. I'm open to anyone who fits that bill. And, the fact that Bellator CEO Björn Rebney and I can work together and cross-promote is a great added benefit for Impact exposure outside of wrestling.
shill. always be shilling.
but yeah the cross promotion defense is like... "we get money from them shut up"
And Bellator is ruined because of it.. It has no credability left as a real MMA organization. Watching it last night with all the TNA talk and the Tito / Rampage fight shit.. They were literally promoting it with "Rampage Jackson has a special announcement. TONIGHT!!".. So cheesy and TNA like. It came off as a pseudo MMA/Pro Wrestling promotion. If anything it's turning viewers away from Bellator.
Dana White is a genius and knew cross promotion w/ WWE would kill the credibility of UFC. That's why he avoids mentioning or having anything remotely to do with WWE. Brock was the closest thing and Dana still distanced himself from that like a champ. Did Rampage even mention TNA once last night? hobblekitty: styckx : Oof
Looks like a house show. I don't know why they use big huge arenas for small house shows. It was like that at the Times Union Center when Pi and I went in December. The Armory Center would have been a better choice, and probably cheaper too.
Unless that is a taped show in which case I see your "oof" and raise you an "uhg..." They drew a total of 2500 people to their shows last weekend. I wonder how much money they made. They arent going out of business (they have a Spike contract until 2015) but there are lots of bad things going on. Bully was working as an agent and they had Borash doing the office work at the shows over the weekend to reduce the traveling staff.
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Post by gunnyhighway on Aug 1, 2013 18:03:45 GMT -6
hobblekitty: Someone needs to explain to me why wrestling is OK, but MMA is lame "sweaty dick punching". You'd think the fan bases would have more amity between them. I heard someone explain it like this. "Just because I like the Jetsons doesnt mean I am into NASA." I thought it was good, but I am a wrestling fan who doesnt watch MMA.
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Post by hobblekitty on Aug 1, 2013 18:05:51 GMT -6
gunnyhighway: hobblekitty : Someone needs to explain to me why wrestling is OK, but MMA is lame "sweaty dick punching". You'd think the fan bases would have more amity between them.
I heard someone explain it like this.
"Just because I like the Jetsons doesnt mean I am into NASA."
I thought it was good, but I am a wrestling fan who doesnt watch MMA. I am not saying you have to like them both. I get that. What I don't get is the absolute vitriol some wrestling fans have for MMA and vice versa. Can't we all just get along?
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Post by verbaltoxin on Aug 1, 2013 18:08:41 GMT -6
hobblekitty: Someone needs to explain to me why wrestling is OK, but MMA is lame "sweaty dick punching". You'd think the fan bases would have more amity between them. Because to a wrestling fan, MMA is what they wish wrestling was (shoot fights), but without what makes it fun (characters and promos - and no, don't tell me the barely literate MMA fighters can cut promos). To an MMA fan, it's a shoot (So they think) and wrestling is a bit uncomfortably close to what they don't want to admit about their "sport." Call me a cynic, but I don't think there's any such thing as 100% shoot fighting sports anywhere, except maybe the Greco-Roman wrestling and karate tournaments nobody watches. If there's money in it, promoters will be fixing matches. We already learned that once when catch as catch can wrestling became pro wrestling, and boxing became Don King Productions.
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Post by hobblekitty on Aug 1, 2013 18:09:15 GMT -6
I have tranced out on that Aries gif half a dozen times already.
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Post by styckx on Aug 1, 2013 18:12:43 GMT -6
styckx: Oof
Looks like a house show. I don't know why they use big huge arenas for small house shows. It was like that at the Times Union Center when Pi and I went in December. The Armory Center would have been a better choice, and probably cheaper too. Unless that is a taped show in which case I see your "oof" and raise you an "uhg..." Because Dixie wants the illusion they're as big as WWE. It's asinine for them to go on the road and rent out huge arenas their first time out. Hell, WWE has a hard time completely selling out some of these places lately but WWE makes it back in merchandise sales.. |
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Post by verbaltoxin on Aug 1, 2013 18:28:36 GMT -6
styckx: Oof
Looks like a house show. I don't know why they use big huge arenas for small house shows. It was like that at the Times Union Center when Pi and I went in December. The Armory Center would have been a better choice, and probably cheaper too. Unless that is a taped show in which case I see your "oof" and raise you an "uhg..." Because Dixie wants the illusion they're as big as WWE. It's asinine for them to go on the road and rent out huge arenas their first time out. Hell, WWE has a hard time completely selling out some of these places lately but WWE makes it back in merchandise sales.. I've heard TNA does well on merch sales, but I have no proof. |
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Post by gunnyhighway on Aug 1, 2013 18:31:32 GMT -6
Phrasal Blight:
Today at 7:12pm , styckx wrote:
Today at 6:56pm , hobblekitty wrote: styckx : Oof
Looks like a house show. I don't know why they use big huge arenas for small house shows. It was like that at the Times Union Center when Pi and I went in December. The Armory Center would have been a better choice, and probably cheaper too.
Unless that is a taped show in which case I see your "oof" and raise you an "uhg..."
Because Dixie wants the illusion they're as big as WWE. It's asinine for them to go on the road and rent out huge arenas their first time out. Hell, WWE has a hard time completely selling out some of these places lately but WWE makes it back in merchandise sales..
I've heard TNA does well on merch sales, but I have no proof. Who moves merch for them? Hardy probably sell well. Maybe Anderson's "Wrestling is Real" shirt? If Anderson isnt moving merch then he needs to be let go. Too much money to a guy that doesnt do much for your product.
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Post by hobblekitty on Aug 1, 2013 18:36:01 GMT -6
Phrasal Blight: hobblekitty : Someone needs to explain to me why wrestling is OK, but MMA is lame "sweaty dick punching". You'd think the fan bases would have more amity between them.
Because to a wrestling fan, MMA is what they wish wrestling was (shoot fights), but without what makes it fun (characters and promos - and no, don't tell me the barely literate MMA fighters can cut promos). So... they resent MMA's seeming legitimacy in addition to their lack of flair (pun not intended but lol anyway)? To an MMA fan, it's a shoot (So they think) and wrestling is a bit uncomfortably close to what they don't want to admit about their "sport."
What don't they want to admit? That their matches are fixed? I mean how could they not know if their match was fixed... that is some serious denial. Call me a cynic, but I don't think there's any such thing as 100% shoot fighting sports anywhere, except maybe the Greco-Roman wrestling and karate tournaments nobody watches. If there's money in it, promoters will be fixing matches. We already learned that once when catch as catch can wrestling became pro wrestling, and boxing became Don King Productions.
I think you are surely correct.
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Post by gunnyhighway on Aug 1, 2013 18:41:08 GMT -6
Smiths: hobblekitty : Someone needs to explain to me why wrestling is OK, but MMA is lame "sweaty dick punching". You'd think the fan bases would have more amity between them.
i have no idea tbh i just love the term "Sweaty dick punching"
gunnyhighway : Who moves merch for them? Hardy probably sell well. Maybe Anderson's "Wrestling is Real" shirt? If Anderson isnt moving merch then he needs to be let go. Too much money to a guy that doesnt do much for your product.
that's a good q. i wonder what their merch is like.
then i rememebr I HATE SMARKS FUCK YOU and want to enjoy the TV show. WHICH I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO WITH WWE FUCK YOU I got this for you! shoptna.com/aces-and-eights-vest.aspx
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Post by hobblekitty on Aug 1, 2013 18:42:22 GMT -6
gunnyhighway: Phrasal Blight :
Today at 7:12pm , styckx wrote:
Today at 6:56pm , hobblekitty wrote: styckx : Oof
Looks like a house show. I don't know why they use big huge arenas for small house shows. It was like that at the Times Union Center when Pi and I went in December. The Armory Center would have been a better choice, and probably cheaper too.
Unless that is a taped show in which case I see your "oof" and raise you an "uhg..."
Because Dixie wants the illusion they're as big as WWE. It's asinine for them to go on the road and rent out huge arenas their first time out. Hell, WWE has a hard time completely selling out some of these places lately but WWE makes it back in merchandise sales..
I've heard TNA does well on merch sales, but I have no proof.
Who moves merch for them? Hardy probably sell well. Maybe Anderson's "Wrestling is Real" shirt? If Anderson isnt moving merch then he needs to be let go. Too much money to a guy that doesnt do much for your product. They give huge deals. When we went we got the brown bag special and it had a bag, a program, a tshirt, two DVDs and an action figure in it for like... I can't remember like $50 or something? It wasn't expensive. They give a lot of deals like that. But they also are selling stuff like Hardy's ripped up arm stockings for like $10 a piece, for nothing more than a piece of torn stocking, and all the kids in the audience have a at least two of them. I would imagine they move a decent amount of $300 replica belts, because if you have a belt you automatically get backstage for a meet and greet. Quite a few people came with the ones they already had though. In other words, I don't know, lol.
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Post by styckx on Aug 1, 2013 18:44:06 GMT -6
UFC is about as legit as they come. The other promotions below them are sometimes questionable as they're doing whatever it takes to compete with UFC.
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Post by verbaltoxin on Aug 1, 2013 18:45:39 GMT -6
Phrasal Blight: hobblekitty : Someone needs to explain to me why wrestling is OK, but MMA is lame "sweaty dick punching". You'd think the fan bases would have more amity between them.
Because to a wrestling fan, MMA is what they wish wrestling was (shoot fights), but without what makes it fun (characters and promos - and no, don't tell me the barely literate MMA fighters can cut promos). So... they resent MMA's seeming legitimacy in addition to their lack of flair (pun not intended but lol anyway)? To an MMA fan, it's a shoot (So they think) and wrestling is a bit uncomfortably close to what they don't want to admit about their "sport."
What don't they want to admit? That their matches are fixed? I mean how could they not know if their match was fixed... that is some serious denial. Call me a cynic, but I don't think there's any such thing as 100% shoot fighting sports anywhere, except maybe the Greco-Roman wrestling and karate tournaments nobody watches. If there's money in it, promoters will be fixing matches. We already learned that once when catch as catch can wrestling became pro wrestling, and boxing became Don King Productions.
I think you are surely correct. Well, I can't prove MMA is fixed. Let's be clear about that. But every major combat sport ever has wound up corrupt to where it's either a joke everyone laughs at (boxing), or a joke everyone laughs with (pro wrestling). With so much money on the table at Vegas, for ppv buyrates, to make bankable stars, and to fight competition, it's probably crossed Zuffa's mind. "How do we get away with this?" I mean the fact Brock Lesnar got a title fight 2 matches into his career reeks of something putrid. BTW I also think that Div. I college football is basically rigged too. The outcomes aren't, but the conferences, polling, bowl games and championships are to where if you aren't SEC, Big 10 and a few other conferences, you're never getting a championship and never getting a BCS. As for their "limited playoff" next year, horseshit. Full play-off and rank based on W-L alone, or it's bullshit. |
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Post by DougieAXP on Aug 1, 2013 18:47:34 GMT -6
Sorry was playing videogames. Now I need to get dinner...be back shortly
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Post by gunnyhighway on Aug 1, 2013 18:48:54 GMT -6
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Post by Smart Ass Monkey on Aug 1, 2013 18:48:55 GMT -6
I like MMA. I am a fan. But I will be the first to admit that too many of their promos are, "Grrr, me am big guy! Me will crush other big guy!"
That's why Brock was such a huge acquisition for UFC. All of a sudden you had a guy who not only could deliver a pretty good promo (hell, he was trained by the master, Paul E.), but was able to be an incredibly over heel. MMA has never really had that before or since. Dana White really needs a Paul E kind of person to help the fighters work on their mic skills.
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Post by gunnyhighway on Aug 1, 2013 18:52:46 GMT -6
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Post by verbaltoxin on Aug 1, 2013 18:52:55 GMT -6
I like MMA. I am a fan. But I will be the first to admit that too many of their promos are, "Grrr, me am big guy! Me will crush other big guy!" That's why Brock was such a huge acquisition for UFC. All of a sudden you had a guy who not only could deliver a pretty good promo (hell, he was trained by the master, Paul E.), but was able to be an incredibly over heel. MMA has never really had that before or since. Dana White really needs a Paul E kind of person to help the fighters work on their mic skills. And that's what I'm talking about, right here. The spectacle is the draw, not the technique, what strain of jujitsu the fighters practiced, or how well they execute a takedown or armbar. Because if that shit mattered in pro wrestling, which IS a work, ROH would be the top promotion right now. People want promos, gimmicks, big gold belts, and hyped up grudge matches. MMA fans want all that, but with real fights. UFC, Bellator, etc. have a narrow line to walk. |
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Post by styckx on Aug 1, 2013 18:52:55 GMT -6
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Post by Ed Becker on Aug 1, 2013 18:58:43 GMT -6
Oof That's pretty interesting. Gives some perspective on how they shoot. BTW, the Kay Yeager Coliseum seats just under 7,400. So, if they sell out all available seats, maybe 3000-ish. |
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Post by verbaltoxin on Aug 1, 2013 18:59:18 GMT -6
#1August #OpenYourEyes
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Post by styckx on Aug 1, 2013 19:00:56 GMT -6
sob. The only stream is shoing some young hollywood awards show... I can't wait this!!
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