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Post by Auntie Cheesus on Oct 8, 2012 21:35:43 GMT -6
Smiths: avoid baltimore. we suck. unless you like black people and drugs.
though the aquarium is pretty.
Hey, I actually enjoyed Baltimore. We stayed at the Hilton Garden Inn near the inner harbor, with a view of the water. A friend took us to this great little Greek restaurant that I'll be damned if I can remember the name of.
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Post by Cuvis the Conqueror on Oct 8, 2012 21:37:28 GMT -6
Seriously, if Vince wants to roll heads, he ought to start with his own. The man has no fucking clue what wrestling fans want to see.
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Post by sharktrager on Oct 8, 2012 21:43:26 GMT -6
That was awful.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 0:55:13 GMT -6
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Post by Ed Becker on Oct 9, 2012 1:03:55 GMT -6
Senile Vince: I didn't even notice it when it first happened, maybe it wasn't on TV - but apparently CM Punk decked a fan in the crowd at the end of RAW and that guy filed a police reportCan someone file a police report against that show? Please? But seriously, folks, after seeing several videos, the WrestlingInc clip shows seems to be the most conclusive. I watched those videos through the eyes of a security guy as I was head of security for the group I was with and from my time as a demolition derby official dealing with dangerous situations on the track and the stands. Punk gets shoved once, shoves back then the guy that got popped, probably accidentally, gives Punk a forearm to the back of his neck. Punk retaliates. IMO, I think that fan was probably drunk by his body language, although if one is being pushed by the rush of a crowd that body language (where he isn't in control) would also be exhibited. Punk doesn't know this. He gets hit in his neck. We all know that neck injuries can kill a career in pro wrestling. Punk reacted as he did. I don't think the charges filed should or will stand. I'm not white knighting Punk on this, but he was justified in his reaction. WWE security was nowhere to be found at that point. Punk was on his own during a called spot where he runs through the crowd. Punk knows the spot where Vince gives the ultimatum for the PPV. Hell, there was no building security there. He feels someone hit him in the neck. He was on his own when he did what he did. Also, don't send a heel, or anyone through the crowd unless security knows about this. No worker is going to take physical shit by a mark. It's one of the oldest rules in the book. Don't hang the boys out to dry. Send a guy up the grandstand and pray. Yeah, that has FAIL written all over it. The show sucked ass. The tag was okay, the Sheamus match was okay. Why in the holy living fuck was Larry King on the show? Were they going to Satchmo's and enjoying a fucking steak? I remember Larry King doing overnights. Will they use Art Bell or Jim Bohannan or George Noory next week? Why? It does nothing for the target audience. They want kids and 18-34's. Larry King is known to the 54+ crowd. He's not Bob Barker. Christ Almighty. Show your kids that can work. If you have celebrities on the show, make them relevant or part of the goddamned show because they're fans. I'm about done with WWE. I will always be a fan of professional wrestling. I will always be a worker. That's one of the reasons I hated the RAW main last night. And most of the show. And we're probably being worked by Vince. They haven't had a heel champ for a year in forever. BTW, My drunken ass needs to clear the bartender from the bar. I would dig some sleep even though I had a bad radio dream Monday afternoon.
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Post by pmoneyallstar on Oct 9, 2012 4:26:07 GMT -6
This ties in with another thread. My question is, and I've watched this with multiple camera phone angles and what they showed on tv. Where was security? Cm punk jumped into the front row and made his way up the stairs, With no visible security near by. Some ass was pushing him and CM punk retaliated. Heat of the moment, etc. I can understand. I just don't know why they did t have security waiting nearby.. I think this will be quietly go away. Can't believe the Larry King segment. I jokingly wondered if he's dragging his woman out with him again and sure shit.... Funny side story. King dropped by for an interview on the radio station I used to work for. The caveat being that we had to play her country single on our classic country sister station a bunch of times. Can't believe he's still with that lady. As much as I might have bitched about Dolph no longer sporting the pink, I had wondered why they struck a deal with the wwe. The NFL doesn't want anything to do with em. 15% proceeds go to real help? Bitch please. |
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Post by jimfromsaintpaul on Oct 9, 2012 8:36:00 GMT -6
I give up. This shit sucks. WWE. TNA. ALL OF IT.
I don;t care if I catch either live anymore. I'll probably catch the PPVs... besides that screw it.
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Post by verbaltoxin on Oct 9, 2012 11:20:32 GMT -6
So I don't know if we live on another planet, but Cageside Seats, ProWrestling.net and Reddit all had great reviews (mostly) for Raw last night. Some even marked out huge for Vince in the main event. Did we see the same show, or are we as a group conditioned to be more negative?
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Post by verbaltoxin on Oct 9, 2012 15:31:09 GMT -6
Well that's just it. Jason Powell, Gene Mrosko and others are supposed to sit through Raw and live-blog it, then do a next-day review. And they are giving Raw these great reviews. How are they giving a pass to such blatant crap?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 17:23:50 GMT -6
I thought the show was weak, it felt like a desperate ratings grab (they got 600k viewers back, btw, so prepare for more Vince and Ryback).
They gave away Sheamus and Barrett for free. (Stupid)
They had Ryback squash a very talented tag team that was just...JUST elevated to near-relevancy. (STUPID)
They had John Cena act like being gone for a week was like being gone for a year, and doing his typical goofy promo, to open the show. (Stupid, but not terrible.)
They had Brodus Clay, The Funkadactyls, and R-Truth dance with an imaginary child. Michael Cole even acted like the nonexistent child was a killer dancer. They could have had R-Truth say that Little Jimmy wanted to dance with some of the kids in the WWE Universe, bring ACTUAL KIDS INTO THE RING LIKE THEY WERE DOING JUST A FEW FUCKING WEEKS AGO, and the segment would have been 75% less stupid. Then Vince just stops them from dancing and tells them to hit the road, which made the whole segment feel like "FUCK WE NEED TO KILL FIVE MINUTES I GOTTA GET SOME BLOW BEFORE MY PROMO WITH PUNK" (Stupid, especially because of a missed opportunity to connect with the kids some more. I have no beef with these kinds of silly segments and characters because it's a three-hour show, but I always have a problem with blatantly insulting my intelligence, which this show does way more often than Impact)
Ryback is being pushed as a main-eventer when every single live crowd that has ever seen him has chanted Goldberg or Boring during his segments. Ed Becker covered this way better. (Stupid)
Pretty solid Divas match/segment overall, actually. (Good)
Tag tournament was fine for what it was, though more time could have gone to it instead of the crap this show was full of. (Good)
Main event wasn't terrible, ultimatum was highly predictable though. (Fair)
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Post by jimfromsaintpaul on Oct 10, 2012 8:22:46 GMT -6
we as a group conditioned to be more negative Obviously myself included. Till TNA stops doing stupid shit with old people and till WWE realizes that not giving Cena the title yet making him the main eventer means NOTHING HAS CHANGED, fuck it. I'm done trying hard. I will literally just skip ahead as needed on both shows. |
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Post by verbaltoxin on Oct 10, 2012 14:02:25 GMT -6
Yes the reviews post live blogging match sentiments.
Anyway what I get from other IWC smarks is, largely, WWE is deliberately given more leeway than TNA. WWE, in their minds, is older and more massive, so they're "allowed to fuck up more," according to Reddit, Cageside, PW.net, etc. TNA being the younger, smaller promotion has less slack given them when they do typical, "LOL TNA!" type stuff.
So they will give a free pass to much of
And then forget all about that garbage, and then mark out over and over again about Daniel Bryan/Kane and CM Punk doing stupidly heelish things to get over the constant chants in his name.
To paraphrase PW.net's Jason Powell, "Vince proved he could still go at age 67," and ranked that entire segment, and the promo where Punk slapped Vince, a "hit." He was ridiculously generous towards the show, as was Cageside Seats and Reddit.com/r/squaredcircle (Which in my view should be called r/neckbeard but I digress).
I can't fault people for their opinion if they say, "I love wrestling no matter what, and I will always get some entertainment in just seeing wrestling, even if it's bad wrestling." That's defensible. But these guys I mentioned constantly make excuses for WWE's bad product, while taking massive shits on TNA's, and they down-vote/squash/pile on any contrary viewpoint. It's their playground, so whatever. Still, IT'S FUCKING STUPID. THIS SHIT SUCKS AND THE ONLY GOOD IN IT IS RIPPING ON IT.
So if we are preconditioned to be negative, we've a right to be. Raw is fucking terrible, and because it's so terrible it makes all its other shows look great in comparison. The problem is Raw is the flagship show, and if it didn't happen on Raw, it basically didn't happen at all in WWE. Name the last title switch on Smackdown, for fuck's sakes. The US title maybe? Anyway,
fuck this company.
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Post by slamjack on Oct 10, 2012 14:47:06 GMT -6
Verbaltoxin/Lingualvenom:
So if we are preconditioned to be negative, we've a right to be. Raw is fucking terrible, and because it's so terrible it makes all its other shows look great in comparison. The problem is Raw is the flagship show, and if it didn't happen on Raw, it basically didn't happen at all in WWE. Name the last title switch on Smackdown, for fuck's sakes. The US title maybe? Anyway,
fuck this company.
The last belt change on Smackdown was the IC championship on August 9th 2011. Holy shit, there have been more belt changes in the last year at house shows (1) than on SD (0)
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Post by jimfromsaintpaul on Oct 10, 2012 22:04:09 GMT -6
Neither show gets shows break. Entertain me or get mocked. No excuses.
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Post by Ed Becker on Oct 11, 2012 3:51:37 GMT -6
Smiths: hell, they are making their PPVs like that too. Why did you watch the PPV? If it didn't happen on RAW it didn't mean anything.
Allow me to expand and possibly go off on a semi-drunken rant: The old model of pro-wrestling TV before there was a goddamned PPV every fucking month was that TV was the infomercial to get you to buy a ticket to the house show. Then you added Wrestlemania and Starrcade and Survivor Series, etc. You got to see something you didn't see on weekly TV when you bought the ticket or PPV or tuned in to TBS on Thanksgiving night. It was special. You had the local promos for the house show. You had squashes. You had on occasion competitive matches with low or mid-card guys that weren't in a program with each other. Then you'd have run-in's between the top guys top guys to juice the house show. Or not. You kept the main guys apart from each other (little to no physicality) to get the smell of the steak to waft through the room and make you say, "God damn. I've gotta be there!" But no. Just give it away on TV. On the latest Ringside Rap podcast Les Thatcher makes a great comparison to the Globetrotters. You see them on TV maybe once or twice a year. And ya know what? They pack arenas. Hell, they're doing 2 shows on New Years Eve at the Bradley Center as they have for a long time. Their worked product isn't overexposed. One of the things they can do is have more longer matches. For the 3 hour format, the Sandow/Sheamus match was perfect. Nobody lost any heat. Roidberg squashing a tag team in the hunt for the straps, not so much. Sidebar on Ryback: Remember, he's almost always been a WWE guy. From Tough Enough through developmental. They have a shit-ton invested in the guy. He's also taken a 30 day rip in the Wellness Program. Not trying to defend him. I think he's awful. He is, however, over like a motherfucker. The old promoter's mantra of freaks, sheiks and geeks still holds true. Another thing to keep in mind is that WWE is a partner with NBC/Universal or whatever the fuck they're calling it now. They're a programming provider. And then you have the whole fuck story of Vince thinking entertainment over wrestling. I remember reading interviews with Paul E., whom I'm not the biggest fan of but I get him, trying to talk about pop culture with Vince and Vince had no clue since he's so absorbed in WWE. That's why ECW was relevant, especially in the early to mid 90's. Paul E. is awesome in his use of music and focusing on the strengths of limited workers. But Vince has to bring in Larry King. That 18-34 male demo that he has a boner over has no idea who he is. Or they think "it's that old fart my parents watched or listened to." Who's on next week? Bruce Williams? Another opinion: Bookers need filters. I don't know what Pat has to do with the company anymore, but I could see his fingerprints on the product over the years. When Russo was in New York, he most likely had Vince as a filter. Vince needs a filter. Cornette needs a filter. Some of my fondest memories of Mid-American Wrestling involved Carmine (the booker/promoter) bouncing ideas off of me and we refined them while drinking in a Milwaukee south side corner dive bar where we were the only customers and made the owner's car payment. /carny drunk
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Post by jimfromsaintpaul on Oct 11, 2012 12:11:57 GMT -6
I agree with your assesment of RAW (minus the "using the footgae" line... if they "used the footage" then it would OMFGRECAPZZZZ?!?!?!?!?). TNA = Bobby Roo is a jerk, old people, aces and eights, and AA is now a guy who isn;t getting any respect, solid wrestling match between two people in an uninteresting fued, Golden Calves. We get EY maybe once every 3 weeks now and he and ODB are the only things consistently entertaining. Sons of Jarrett is so poorly thought out it's amlost beyond me being able to laugh at it. Ok, so these masked guys come in and start interfering, right? Ok, we have a new stable of some kind. Hey, in reality there aren't any stables out there on the 2 main shows, so why not. Let's give it a whirl. HOGANHOGANSTINGHOGANHOGAN. Fine. Whatever. Hogan then calls the cops at a PPV, preventing SoJ in right? The good guys hold a guy hostage then let him go. A few weeks later the law firm of Abyss, Abyss and Abyss is getting into the building with "evidence to blow this whole thing open". They say he is IN THE BUILDING. IN IT. Then they find out by the end of that night that Abyss has been kidnapped by SoJ. This means Abyss was inside the building and was kidnapped. Logic suggest then that Abyss is SOMEWHERE IN THE BUILDING. Do we call the cops now? OF COURSE WE DON'T. Now I am not saying you have to "call the cops" for a wrestling storyline... UNLESS YOU INTRODUCE THEM AS A FACTOR NO MORE THEN A MONTH BEFOREHAND. So Abyss is being tortured inside the building. You have Sting and Hogan get kidnapped by guys who continue to have their voices modified only because they are wearing facemasks. That's it. That is the only reason that Hogan and Sting couldn't possibly know who they were talking too since even wrestling logic would suggest that they should know the voices of who they were talking to OR acknowledge in some way the voices wern't modified when they were kidnapped. So Abyss has now been tortured for 2+weeks in the backstage area. Do we call the cops? OF COURSE NOT. So then Sting is trying to decide who to pick as his tag partner. You know, because OLD PEOPLE ARE OLD AND MUST BE IN MADE RELEVANT HERE AT TNA. Sting then spends a minute praising Bully Ray. "You're the biggest bully we have! WE NEED A BULLY! You are a bad man... now go out there and show me you want this!". MUTHERFUCKER YOU JUST SAID YOU "NEED A BULLY" AND TOLD HIM HE WAS THE BEST. THERE IS NOTHING TO PROVE. Hogan does this all the time too. Whoever he doesn't pick in the monthly "suck hogans dick get a title shot" episode gets lauded like they are awesome and then told no. "Hey dude, you're the best. You've done great things in the company. You've been on fire lately. So no, get the fuck out of my office".  ?? Hogan and Sting just spit out words. They dont "say" anything. THey just spout off and add NOTHING of value to the show. They are, of course, the good guy focal points against SoJ so we get 30 minutes of these guys a frickin episode. Tonight we get another episode of Abyss getting tortured in the backstage area of the arena. Whoppty frickin doo. MOAR HOGAN! MORE STING! MORE BULLY RAY AND HIS NOT OBVIOUS ASSOCATION WITH SoJ AT ALL. This whole storyline is insulting in a completely seperate, yet equal to, way that "MOAR CENA IS UNDEROG PLEAZE" is. JUST STOP ALREADY. And don't even get me started on CM Punk Lite. What your the champ yet you are not getting enough "respect", huh? REALLY. WE WANT TO BE OUR OWN COMPANY SO LET'S COPY WHAT THE OTHER CHAMP WHO IS ALSO USUALLY BETTER AS A HEEL IS DOING. I AM SURE I WILL NOT COME OFF AS LAME AS THAT OTHER GUY HAS LATELY. ... ... You know what. I feel better now. My Rant about WWE a few weeks ago (the episode that had heyman proposing to AJ) was about this level of vitriol. Instead of actively dislking TNA, I will now probably get back to the apathetic state I am at for WWE. /did I mention i plan on getting WWE 13 for the XBOX yet? :-D |
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Post by jimfromsaintpaul on Oct 11, 2012 13:23:29 GMT -6
AA isn't doing the "Respect Me" thing.. he's doing some weird "I want the pops Jeff Cena gets even though he's not champ".
Hmmmmmmm.
And considering I have already posted the actual poster art for the next PPV, they obviously will be rolling through with this storyline for even LONGER.
It's like doubling down on Claire at this point for me. STOP. JUST STOP.
Hard to go out there and have awesome matches and prove how fighting a champion you are and how you can handle being the top of the company when the fucking wrestling that's taking place -- by its nature -- can not involve you.
Wait, I thought you yourself said that TNA seems to have more talent then they can put on TV every week. Meaning you can't involve all these people? Bullpucky good sir. There either is or is not a wealth of talent on TNA. More importantly, TNA has never proven they know what to DO with their talent on a consistent basis. WWE hasn't done it since Austin and Rock left. Give Cena the belt, roll credits.
You know, I could be 100% wrong and it's not Sons of Jarrett. It could be The Other Sons of Bischoff.
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Post by styckx on Oct 14, 2012 20:51:37 GMT -6
dammit I did it again.. Wrong thread
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