RAW IS LAWLER TONIGHT 8e/7c on USA

[Smart Ass Monkey]

it was almost good again, then Ryberg showed up

[sharktrager]

1) That sucked

2) I imagine the hoodie was because they didn't like the shirt.

[Smart Ass Monkey]

On facebook, WWE asked what the fans thought of the Punk/Cena thing

this was my reply --

Punk is open and honest about his intentions.

Cena assaults him with a weapon.

B A Star

[DougieAXP]

Creationist Ape: On facebook, WWE asked what the fans thought of the Punk/Cena thing

this was my reply --

Punk is open and honest about his intentions.

Cena assaults him with a weapon.

B A Star


+ Infinite Internets

[Smart Ass Monkey]

i tried to read the other comments

there were a few other people based in reality, but the rest were poorly spelled pro-cena and pro-ryberg (no, really) comments.

[lurch_E_bean]

Now that I think about it, we've never seen Foley and Ryback at the same time. Maybe Mick Foley turns into Ryberg when he's angry... or hungry... That's why he wants people to feed him more, so he can go back to being Mick Foley, instead of a shitty Goldberg clone.

[verbaltoxin]

DougieAXP: FINE, HE'S NOT WEARING THE PUNK SHIRT, YA GOD DAMN JABBERJAWS , BROTHER!


*Cue Fink voice*

AND....NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWW

[verbaltoxin]

I hate to say it, but I was kind of entertained by what I watched tonight. None of it made sense but it was cool in that sense where, if you had WWE action figures, Ryback is the guy you'd use as the "Whoa shit, here comes a badass!" guy. And let's face it, this stuff is booked for kids, and this whole feud pretty much works from that line of thinking.

[verbaltoxin]

Tonight in fake belts and meaningless stats:

This marks Dougie's 2nd International Championship of Friendship and Magic.

slamjack is no longer the UUUUUUU Champion.

[Cuvis the Conqueror]

This angle could be greatly improved with 17 words:

"You do deserve respect for all your accomplishments, but you're going about getting it the real wrong way."

Instead, week after week, they have people come out and tell the world that Punk hasn't fucking earned anything. They have people come out and tell him that all his wins against Cena don't matter, that being the champion doesn't matter, that holding the championship for a year does not matter. And they're supposed to be the good guys; they're supposed to be the people we identify with. That devalues Punk, that devalues the belt, and that devalues every single person Punk has defended that belt against. Jericho, Kane, Bryan... all made to look worthless in the service of this shitty angle.

And now the hot fudge on the shit sundae... they could have had an interesting angle by playing it off ambiguously, not having Punk or Cena as a clear face or heel, and acknowledging that both sides really have a point. Instead, Punk is out there trying every single cheap heat tactic in the book, and FAILING because even wrestling fans know when they're just being manipulated. And when all that fails, Punk actually has to pretend that a crowd that's chanting his fucking name is booing him, just to push forward with this angle that nobody is buying. Vince likes to say he listens to the fans, but he really doesn't give a shit what anybody has to say.

In summary,

[verbaltoxin]

The thing to remember is that kids don't give a fuck about moral justification or the high ground. They want to watch their guy beat up the bad guy, period. CM Punk is finally resorting to the "Your hometown sucks!" stuff because, hey, it works and that's what they had to do, sadly. Also he's a terrible babyface, he really is. Punk is a guy you cheer ironically like a smark, or you boo like a true blue mark. No in-between. He's getting exactly the reaction he should be getting.

Cena with the pipe calls right back to babyfaces who'd pull fast ones on the heels, like Dusty Rhodes would. It's heelish but Cena is the "good guy" so that means automatic justification for what he does. It's how wrestling works, guys. You want depth? Read a novel. This is, at best, an action movie.

One of my favorite wrestlers is Nick Bockwinkel, who was a heel 90% of his career. Why was he a heel? Because he acted like a cocky asshole and he cheated on occasion. Yet if Verne Gagne smashed Nick's face into a steel cage, just like Nick would if he had the chance, the crowds went nuts. That was back in the 1970s. Think wrestling has really evolved that much since then? Think again.

A more recent example: every time Tommy Dreamer smacked Raven with a kendo stick, Dreamer got cheers, even though using a weapon was a heel's domain. Raven was a prick, so in the crowd's mind, he deserved his thrashing. That's it. That's how deep the logic goes in most wrestling booking.

Truthfully the one guy doing everything 100% right is Paul Heyman. Nothing he does gets cheers, not even from the smarks. He gets instant heat each time. Heyman simply knows how to be the slimy heel manager.

[Cuvis the Conqueror]

Funny you should bring up ECW... ECW didn't get fans by telling them what to think. ECW didn't get fans by shoveling so much bullshit down their throats that they had to puke. ECW was a company that actually listened to their fans, sometimes to a fault. And that's how they came to prominence when WWF and WCW were shoveling the same kind of bullshit WWE is shoveling today.

[verbaltoxin]

Cuvis the Conqueror: Funny you should bring up ECW... ECW didn't get fans by telling them what to think. ECW didn't get fans by shoveling so much bullshit down their throats that they had to puke. ECW was a company that actually listened to their fans, sometimes to a fault. And that's how they came to prominence when WWF and WCW were shoveling the same kind of bullshit WWE is shoveling today.


Yeah, yeah, yeah, "Back in the day..."

But it's not the 90s, and WWE is not a product geared towards adults. Frankly I've just accepted it. It's made watching or not watching easier. I'm no longer thinking, "Fucking Vince and his fucking creatine tacos!" If I watch, fine, I'll do homework and let it play in the background, and follow enough to post here. Tonight from about 9pm through the overrun, which is what I saw, it was decent. Not great, but decent. I could nitpick, but I won't. I know their product is not really for me anyway.

Regardless, nonetheless and furthermore, the answer to ALL your wrestling problems is simple.

WATCH. CHIKARA.

[Cuvis the Conqueror]

Sept 24, 2012 21:39:52 GMT -6 @verbaltoxin said:

Regardless, nonetheless and furthermore, the answer to ALL your wrestling problems is simple.

WATCH. CHIKARA.

I'd love to, I have been whenever I can, but have they even posted any video online since Chikarasaurus Rex?

[verbaltoxin]

Cuvis the Conqueror:
Today at 10:39pm, Verbaltoxin/Lingualvenom wrote:Regardless, nonetheless and furthermore, the answer to ALL your wrestling problems is simple.

WATCH. CHIKARA.



I'd love to, I have been whenever I can, but have they even posted any video online since Chikarasaurus Rex?


They post at least 3 videos to their Youtube channel per week. Also King of Trios is now on DVD. They release their major cards on DVD w/in a day after the event. They also do streaming. It's pretty cheap. Smart Mark Video.

[lurch_E_bean]

It looks like MNF has way better booking than the WWE... This replacement ref heel turn is like watching the birth of the nWo and Stone Cold Steve Austin all over again...

[Cuvis the Conqueror]

Yes, I watch the Youtube videos. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot of wrestling in them. I did just go to Smart Mark, and saw a bunch of new content, so thanks for that. I hadn't checked them for a while, since nothing seemed to show up after Chikarasaurus Rex for a while.

Oh, and can I point out how it's funny how, just after you talked about giving up on WWE because it's "not for us", we're now discussing Chikara? If there's a wrestling promotion more PG and kid-friendly than Chikara, I haven't seen it... and it's still so much more awesome than WWE.

[verbaltoxin]

Chikara has heart and soul, and that makes a lot of difference. WWE feels like Ringling Bros. It's a huge, corporate operation, while Chikara really is a bunch of guys trying to make a go at it.

[pmoneyallstar]

The Marks have arrived at the Titty Club.....

perfect night to play all our favorite theme songs...and a few tracks from Juan Cena's solo CD...

Bad, bad man is my favorite
'LOL

[Ed Becker]

From what I saw of the show (6-man, Lawler, closing promo) since I was distracted by the Seattle Screwjob, I thought it was okay for what it was. I've re-learned how to hit the "WWE Filter" switch in my brain, I guess. I try to limit exposure to things that piss me off or create some kind of coping mechanism. I don't like being pissed off.

The pipe deal at the end was what it was. Verbaltoxin explained it well. One could make an argument that the whole Austin/McMahon is along the same lines. IMO, that logic fails in that the whole psychology behind that angle is "Who hasn't wanted to beat the piss out of their boss?" If I were booking, here's what I would've called: So, I know JC's going in for surgery. Keep it hushed. With that and Punk turning heel in mind, I'd just do a closing promo or maybe even the match at the NOC since I think they knew about this then where Punk just destroys Cena post-match, maybe even working that elbow so you have that dollop of reality in the angle. There, IMO, you accomplish the 3 things you want to: Turn up the heat on Punk, generate sympathy for Cena and allow him the time to get his legit surgery and rehab in. Shit, have him do a Make a Wish appearance in a sling.

Simple? Yes.

Effective? Yes.

Remember that there are wrestling fans and WWE fans. Smiths' posts play into this. Many wrestling fans, like most of us here, will watch WWE because they present a wrestling based entertainment product. Kinda like Kraft Singles are pasteurized process cheese food. I dig a Kraft Single. They're omnipresent. They're kinda tasty. They melt well. But the American cheese that I get from the deli counter at the supermarket is far superior. Yes, it costs more. This is why I try to switch the wrestling part of my brain when watching WWE. I can always just wait until Thursday for TNA. I can always go to indy shows or watch some old stuff online or whatever indy promotion has to offer. WWE is just everywhere and they're first and foremost in people's minds regarding professional wrestling. Just like Kraft Singles are on the forefront of people's minds regarding American cheese.

It's beyond sound sweetening and confiscating signs. Simply put, it's Vince's baby and he'll do with it as he sees fit. Also, the people that buy tickets to his shows are there because they want to be there. They're WWE marks. Just like when you go to a concert, the majority are fans of the band. You see people wearing that band's gimmicks. Go to a sporting event. Generally most fans are wearing team apparel supporting the home team. They're marks for their team. Nothing wrong with being a mark. When I was at the Bradley Center for the Milwaukee Raw, I was in the vast minority as not wearing a WWE t-shirt. WWE fans aren't gonna shit on the product. They want to be there.

Also remember that wrestling promoters have always tried to tell the people who to cheer for. Strong heels are needed to create heat for the babyface. People get pissed when they think their guy is getting fucked.

In related opinion, my opinion of the Seattle Screwjob is that it was just like wrestling in that it was obvious that there was offensive pass interference towards GB's Shields before the Jennings/Tate interaction. Everybody watching knew what was going on except the officials. Except that wasn't supposed to be a work.

[hobblekitty]

Ed Becker: From what I saw of the show (6-man, Lawler, closing promo) since I was distracted by the Seattle Screwjob, I thought it was okay for what it was. I've re-learned how to hit the "WWE Filter" switch in my brain, I guess. I try to limit exposure to things that piss me off or create some kind of coping mechanism. I don't like being pissed off.

The pipe deal at the end was what it was. Verbaltoxin explained it well. One could make an argument that the whole Austin/McMahon is along the same lines. IMO, that logic fails in that the whole psychology behind that angle is "Who hasn't wanted to beat the piss out of their boss?" If I were booking, here's what I would've called: So, I know JC's going in for surgery. Keep it hushed. With that and Punk turning heel in mind, I'd just do a closing promo or maybe even the match at the NOC since I think they knew about this then where Punk just destroys Cena post-match, maybe even working that elbow so you have that dollop of reality in the angle. There, IMO, you accomplish the 3 things you want to: Turn up the heat on Punk, generate sympathy for Cena and allow him the time to get his legit surgery and rehab in. Shit, have him do a Make a Wish appearance in a sling.

Simple? Yes.

Effective? Yes.

Remember that there are wrestling fans and WWE fans. Smiths' posts play into this. Many wrestling fans, like most of us here, will watch WWE because they present a wrestling based entertainment product. Kinda like Kraft Singles are pasteurized process cheese food. I dig a Kraft Single. They're omnipresent. They're kinda tasty. They melt well. But the American cheese that I get from the deli counter at the supermarket is far superior. Yes, it costs more. This is why I try to switch the wrestling part of my brain when watching WWE. I can always just wait until Thursday for TNA. I can always go to indy shows or watch some old stuff online or whatever indy promotion has to offer. WWE is just everywhere and they're first and foremost in people's minds regarding professional wrestling. Just like Kraft Singles are on the forefront of people's minds regarding American cheese.

It's beyond sound sweetening and confiscating signs. Simply put, it's Vince's baby and he'll do with it as he sees fit. Also, the people that buy tickets to his shows are there because they want to be there. They're WWE marks. Just like when you go to a concert, the majority are fans of the band. You see people wearing that band's gimmicks. Go to a sporting event. Generally most fans are wearing team apparel supporting the home team. They're marks for their team. Nothing wrong with being a mark. When I was at the Bradley Center for the Milwaukee Raw, I was in the vast minority as not wearing a WWE t-shirt. WWE fans aren't gonna shit on the product. They want to be there.

Also remember that wrestling promoters have always tried to tell the people who to cheer for. Strong heels are needed to create heat for the babyface. People get pissed when they think their guy is getting fucked.

In related opinion, my opinion of the Seattle Screwjob is that it was just like wrestling in that it was obvious that there was offensive pass interference towards GB's Shields before the Jennings/Tate interaction. Everybody watching knew what was going on except the officials. Except that wasn't supposed to be a work.


Pick up some Cooper Sharp next time you are at the deli counter - best American cheese EVAR.

[jimfromsaintpaul]

Ok. So I saw a bit of this on Monday, not alot. I have an 11 game winning streak against my buddies in Madden to help show for it.

GO VIKES.

/oh and The Packers got jobbed. I lol at them anyway. Didn;t hear too many of them crying tears for the Vikes when we got Jobbed *3* times by the refs in OT of the 2009 NFC Championship game

*Moar JR. MOAR.

*Punk vs AJ I saw. Continuity? In my WWE? Loved it till Heyman proposed. Ruined the whole god damn promo for me.

*AJ skipping around the ring = funny. AJ staring off into nothing while talking= Dumb.

*Also saw Ziggler vs Kofi. That was solid as hell. Really entertaining match.

*"My name is Geral and I'm a waiter". lmao

*#TeamHELLNO

*Media ambassador = FAIL.

*Prime time plays got CUTS.

*WOO WOO WOO, YOU JOB IT! *sigh*

*Special guest? Boy I hope it's Charlie Sheen. I really do.

*OH REAR-RE?? Nice, Mick Foley. What's he shilling today?

*Ah calling out Punk I see.

*"Got a new kids book coming out Mick?" I'd fistbump you if I could Punk.

*Damn that was actually a good promo. First hour would have been considered really good if Heyman doesn't do the dumbass proposing.

*Miz vs Ryback? Not on a PPV? THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING VINCE?

*And Ryback fucking wins. OF COURSE HE FUCKING WINS. ILO"AKJHFKL"DSHFklds;'hgfkl;asdhfl

*AJ Lee stand in a room full of referees and smiles seductively. I have written this fanfic before.

* I wonder, what do Natalya and Tyson Kidd tell each other at night to keep themselves hopeful things will get better? Must be some awesome shit. Then again, if I was Tyson Kidd and was banging Natalya, thinks wouldn't look so bad.

*He's got a throne. lol. Good to see him doing well

*Wow, this 6 man has ZERO people I care about.

*The crowd is chanting SinCara... I can't watch this match anymore

*Save_Us_TeamHellNo

*Beth and Eve on the same team? Little Jimmy approves. No not that one... yeah, that one

*"I don't know when I will talk again... I will be at Hell in a Cell though!" *faceplam*


*"You should be a politician John." Now were stealing from I Said. Great.

*"A dump by the way". Wow, Mick Foley comes out and cheap crowd reactions are abound.

*Cena = Passive Aggresive Weenie

*REALLY? YOU HAVE JOHN CENA, SUPER FACE EXTRAORDINARE, WIUTH THE FOREIGN OBEJCT? YOU JUST FUCKING HAD A ONE ARMED MAN GET OVER YOUR CHAMPION?!







This show just went from a 6.5 to a 3.

TNA *SMOKED* this show this last week. All because of Heyman and Cena. WOW.

*WAIT RYBACK?! HOLY FUCKING GOD.

Make that a *2* out of 10. last week was an outstanding Raw. This was some of the worst decision making I have ever seen by Vince and that's saying something.

[Ed Becker]

hobblekitty: Pick up some Cooper Sharp next time you are at the deli counter - best American cheese EVAR.

Interesting. Is that a NY cheese? Not familiar. I'm usually happy with stuff they have to slice behind the counter which is usually somewhat local. We have some excellent cheeseries(?) here and I like to keep it local when I waltz up to the counter.

/Also, excessive cheese intake tends to bind be up if ya know what I mean... I've had a decent cheese intake and I can't poop properly lately. Maybe I need to drink more beer.

Back on topic... This is my drunk ass throwing this out there... If they're providing 3 hours of content for Universal, why not take the first hour of the show and use that for the recap bullshit of all things in the WWE Universe. They can tape shit in the ring/arena during this and perhaps use that first hour to introduce some of the developmental folks to the larger audience. Then at 8 Central go with the live RAW.

[hobblekitty]

Ed Becker: hobblekitty: Pick up some Cooper Sharp next time you are at the deli counter - best American cheese EVAR.

Interesting. Is that a NY cheese? Not familiar. I'm usually happy with stuff they have to slice behind the counter which is usually somewhat local. We have some excellent cheeseries(?) here and I like to keep it local when I waltz up to the counter.

/Also, excessive cheese intake tends to bind be up if ya know what I mean... I've had a decent cheese intake and I can't poop properly lately. Maybe I need to drink more beer.

Back on topic... This is my drunk ass throwing this out there... If they're providing 3 hours of content for Universal, why not take the first hour of the show and use that for the recap bullshit of all things in the WWE Universe. They can tape shit in the ring/arena during this and perhaps use that first hour to introduce some of the developmental folks to the larger audience. Then at 8 Central go with the live RAW.


According to some information I found on Ask.com Cooper Sharp American is made by Schreiber Foods, Inc. Green Bay, WI, and the Cooper Plant itself is in PA.