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Post by Ed Becker on Sept 20, 2012 4:55:10 GMT -6
So, I got loaded the other night and proposed this to Auntie Cheesus. She thought it was a good idea and a new tab is born.
My idea for this is not to ask about a particular worker, but to ask about the intricacies of what happens in the locker room as well as how we communicate in front of the people on the floor or in the ring. Anything to do with the show in the form of a professional presentation of professional wrestling is my aim here.
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Post by pmoneyallstar on Sept 20, 2012 10:19:38 GMT -6
Isn't that breaking a code or something?
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Post by sharktrager on Sept 20, 2012 11:15:51 GMT -6
I have a question.
Why is it that so many of the dark side of the WWE/F stories involve people in charge molesting the male employees?
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Post by hobblekitty on Sept 20, 2012 11:42:01 GMT -6
Smiths: sharktrager: I have a question.
Why is it that so many of the dark side of the WWE/F stories involve people in charge molesting the male employees?
seriously yeah even those rumor things just all seem to be about poking in the pokeys
Well obviously I am no insider, and this is just a shot in the dark but gay rape is a pretty nightmarish scenario particularly for big buff macho tough guys - especially if they are a bit blue themselves and can't admit it. Considering the WWE's adult male demographic it doesn't really surprise me that they would go in that direction if they are going for a dark sinister vibe.
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Post by sharktrager on Sept 20, 2012 17:42:05 GMT -6
Smiths: sharktrager: I have a question.
Why is it that so many of the dark side of the WWE/F stories involve people in charge molesting the male employees?
seriously yeah even those rumor things just all seem to be about poking in the pokeys
Well obviously I am no insider, and this is just a shot in the dark but gay rape is a pretty nightmarish scenario particularly for big buff macho tough guys - especially if they are a bit blue themselves and can't admit it. Considering the WWE's adult male demographic it doesn't really surprise me that they would go in that direction if they are going for a dark sinister vibe. This isn't an angle. This actually happened. A lot. |
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Post by hobblekitty on Sept 20, 2012 18:32:23 GMT -6
sharktrager:
Today at 1:42pm, hobblekitty wrote:Smiths: sharktrager: I have a question.
Why is it that so many of the dark side of the WWE/F stories involve people in charge molesting the male employees?
seriously yeah even those rumor things just all seem to be about poking in the pokeys
Well obviously I am no insider, and this is just a shot in the dark but gay rape is a pretty nightmarish scenario particularly for big buff macho tough guys - especially if they are a bit blue themselves and can't admit it. Considering the WWE's adult male demographic it doesn't really surprise me that they would go in that direction if they are going for a dark sinister vibe.
This isn't an angle. This actually happened. A lot.
Oooooooh. I thought you were referring to Cole getting assraped in the mensroom type stuff.
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Post by verbaltoxin on Sept 20, 2012 20:14:52 GMT -6
How gimmicked are the chairs, tables, and other props used in the ring?
How come it took until a couple years ago to think of testing for blood borne diseases, when dudes are constantly cutting themselves open in the ring?
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Post by Ed Becker on Sept 21, 2012 3:48:51 GMT -6
pmoneyallstar: Isn't that breaking a code or something? It would have been 20 years ago. I think it's okay here since most of us are hardcore fans and the locker room at many indy shows these days have a parade of marks marching through them, including the "workers" in some. When I was brought in, I got some heat from some of the boys. When they realized that I was there for the show and showed the utmost respect they cooled down.
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Post by pmoneyallstar on Sept 21, 2012 4:02:58 GMT -6
Ok, so after you answer the rest of the questions: Does The ref just follow the wrestlers lead until it's time to "take it home"?
Oh and do the winners of the match say thank you to the opponent during the pin or sometime at the end of the match? Obscure?
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Post by Ed Becker on Sept 21, 2012 4:07:02 GMT -6
sharktrager: Why is it that so many of the dark side of the WWE/F stories involve people in charge molesting the male employees? Although I cannot speak directly to the scandals involving WWF/E employees since I wasn't there, I would think that the abusers, especially the ones that targeted or allegedly targeted kids used their positions to do so in the fashion that certain priests have in that they have a position of authority that gives the kid some kind of meaning in life, being a part of the show. Remember, a lot of these kids were from broken homes and/or the custodial parent was over their head and may have been a substance abuser. Perfect prey for those types of assholes, sad as it is. Not a defense of it in any means, but that happens in many levels of society.
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Post by Ed Becker on Sept 21, 2012 4:58:24 GMT -6
Verbaltoxin/Lingualvenom: How gimmicked are the chairs, tables, and other props used in the ring?
Hey!!! Finally a question in the spirit of the tab! DO NOT TRY THIS UNLESS YOU ARE A TRAINED WORKER!Tables: The best are the 8 foot particle board with the woodgrain surface easily purchased from your local office supply store. They should not be gimmicked at all. The ones you see in WWE have the underside painted flat black usually. You have a guy that's usually around 6' and over 200lbs laying on the table and another guy of like size putting him through it. Usually the table will break upon impact and usually cushion the bump. The 8' table has enough give to break on impact. 6' tables are too short because they can't give (break) in the middle. Chairs: If you're talking about the metal folding chair, not gimmicked at all. In earlier days, you just took it. Hit with the seat. Now that we know more about concussions, not so much. Usually now in WWE or TNA a chairshot will be delivered on the back or it will be delivered so the noise comes from the worker delivering the chairshot hitting the floor, ringpost or whatever is around the victim. Ladders: They suck in the ring. Usually a ring has a spring in the middle and a fuck-ton of padding on them. And some good bouncy-ness. Set up a ladder there. Go ahead. Climb that fucker in the ring during intermission to put the belt on the hook. If you're WWE or TNA you build your own ladders. If not, you rent one and take out the insurance. (cheap) Other gimmicks?
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Post by sharktrager on Sept 21, 2012 6:58:57 GMT -6
sharktrager: Why is it that so many of the dark side of the WWE/F stories involve people in charge molesting the male employees? Although I cannot speak directly to the scandals involving WWF/E employees since I wasn't there, I would think that the abusers, especially the ones that targeted or allegedly targeted kids used their positions to do so in the fashion that certain priests have in that they have a position of authority that gives the kid some kind of meaning in life, being a part of the show. Remember, a lot of these kids were from broken homes and/or the custodial parent was over their head and may have been a substance abuser. Perfect prey for those types of assholes, sad as it is. Not a defense of it in any means, but that happens in many levels of society. See, but the stories are all about abuse of the wrestlers. |
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Post by Ed Becker on Sept 22, 2012 4:31:40 GMT -6
pmoneyallstar: Ok, so after you answer the rest of the questions: Does The ref just follow the wrestlers lead until it's time to "take it home"?
Several answers to this... The ref can be a major part of the unseen mechanics of a match. If they workers are solid, yes. The ref should be following the match as if he is a actual official. He doesn't need to know the finish or any false finishes as he should go with the flow. Proper theory has the ref working the match as if it's an actual competition. Obviously that's different if there's spots called for the ref. More on this in a bit. The ref will also relay spots from one wrestler to another. If he's an experienced worker he'll call spots on his own depending on the heat and the format of the show, especially if he's working with green guys. Sadly with many of the newer guys, they have hard-on's for getting their spots in that has nothing to do with the psychology of a match. Also, the heat should stay on the wrestlers and not on the ref. If the ref is wired (earpiece) he's the one to relay timing issues or spots to the wrestlers. This mainly occurs on TV/PPV. We would have the occasional "Come to Jesus Meeting" in the locker room. Especially when new guys would come in. It went kinda like this: "Listen to the ref. If you're heeling on the baby in the corner or on the ropes, break on 3. It is expected that the ref DQ you if you continue past the 5 count. If you're on the outside, get back in before 10. The refs will DQ you regardless of the called finish. If there's a false finish, kick out or put your foot on the ropes. If the pin isn't broken, the ref will count it and you are a turd for not paying attention." This goes back to not putting the heat on the ref. And yes, the tag straps traded hands because someone forgot to kick out of a false finish. We got over it.
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Post by Ed Becker on Sept 22, 2012 4:36:15 GMT -6
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